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Kiezen tussen colomesus asellus en C. travancoricus

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Re: Kiezen tussen colomesus asellus en C. travancoricus

Berichtdoor Grunsven » 19 jan 2017 12:47

Daar staat het wel maar zonder verwijzing naar echte literatuur en in de wetenschappelijke literatuur kan ik hier niks over vinden. Ik ben niet overtuigd.
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Re: Kiezen tussen colomesus asellus en C. travancoricus

Berichtdoor alfred » 19 jan 2017 14:58

Dat geld voor alle info die je op het web vind.
Het is echter niet abnormaal dat vissen van geslacht veranderen. Dit komt vaker voor. Zelfs volwassen vissen kunnen van geslacht veranderen onder invloed van bv milieufactoren. Hier is wel het een en ander over te vinden.
Als je echt wil weten of dit waar is zal je zelf onderzoek moeten gaan doen. :)
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Re: Kiezen tussen colomesus asellus en C. travancoricus

Berichtdoor Grunsven » 19 jan 2017 15:13

Geslachtsverandering komt inderdaad bij verschillende soorten vissen voor maar is toch redelijk uitzonderlijk.
Er wordt ook een hoop onzin verteld, bijvoorbeeld dat zwaarddragers van geslacht veranderen (dat doen ze niet, het is genetisch bepaald, ze hebben een WZ-ZZ systeem of een polyfactorial systeem voor de liefhebber).
Er is ook wel degelijk fatsoenlijke informatie op internet te vinden, zeker als je toegang hebt tot wetenschappelijke literatuur. Daar kan ik echter niks vinden over geslachtsbepaling bij dwergkogels.
De enige soorten waar ik iets over kan vinden zijn Tetraodon nigroviridis en Takifugu rubripes. Bij de eerste is gezocht maar het is onbekend, de tweede is genetisch (http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/a ... en.1002798). Er wordt veel genetisch onderzoek gedaan naar kogelvissen omdat ze een heel klein genoom hebben.

Dit lijkt mij niet echt een onderbouwde stelling op Wikipedia.
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Re: Kiezen tussen colomesus asellus en C. travancoricus

Berichtdoor Vonk » 19 jan 2017 21:49

Dit is wel een interessant onderwerp of het nu kan of niet , er schijnen 3 soorten chromosomen in bepaalde vissen. Hier heb ik een linkje waar ze het er over hebben: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 7304000371
Stel dat het wel zo is bij dwerg kogelvissen dan lijkt het mij verstandig om eerst 2 te plaatsen en daarna de rest in een groot aquarium.
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Re: Kiezen tussen colomesus asellus en C. travancoricus

Berichtdoor alfred » 20 jan 2017 19:14

Ben benieuwd of er nog meer mensen informatie of ervaring hebben over dit onderwerp In elk geval zeer interessant !
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Re: Kiezen tussen colomesus asellus en C. travancoricus

Berichtdoor Vonk » 20 jan 2017 22:08

Het enigste wat ik zelf bijdehand heb gehad is toen ik nog zwaardragers had ik dacht 1 mannetje en 6 vrouwtjes te hebben, maar een van de vermoedelijke vrouwen was toch een mannetje. Deze zag eruit als een vrouw de zelfde afmetingen maar de ondervin was van een man en het zwaartje was een stuk korter dan de echte man. Als je de ondervin en het zwaardje niet zou zien is het 2 druppels water als een vrouw. Het zou een laatbloeier kunnen zijn maar ze waren al bijna volgroeid. Ik weet wel dat bij een zeewater clownvis de grootste van de groep automatisch een mannetje word. Als het mannetje dood gaat word die vervangen door het grootste vrouwtje.
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Re: Kiezen tussen colomesus asellus en C. travancoricus

Berichtdoor Grunsven » 21 jan 2017 20:51

Bij zwaarddragers zijn er mannetjes die pas heel laat de kenmerken van een mannetje krijgen. Het zijn echter altijd genetisch mannetjes geweest ook al zagen ze er uit als vrouwtje.
Op een gegeven moment krijgen ze alsnog een zwaard en een gonopdium.
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Re: Kiezen tussen colomesus asellus en C. travancoricus

Berichtdoor Lode » 02 maart 2017 10:02

Als je meerdere dwergkogel mannetjes in een aquarium plaatst veranderd er niks en zie je puur territoriaal gedrag. Deze theorie zou ook betekenen dat er in winkelbakken uiteindelijk altijd grotendeels vrouwen moeten zitten, wat niet het geval is.

Wel is het zo dat de typerende geslachtskenmerken op jonge leeftijd lastig of niet zichtbaar zijn. Ik vermoed dat ze hierdoor gewoon een aanname hebben gedaan.
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