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Nitraat vs. nitriet

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Nitraat vs. nitriet

Berichtdoor Lode » 10 apr 2012 13:12

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Re: Mijn MBU is ziek

Berichtdoor Juliette » 10 apr 2012 14:04

Voor zover ik weet zitten er in een drukfilter ook anaërobe bacteriën die weer nitraat afbreken.
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Re: Mijn MBU is ziek

Berichtdoor Lode » 10 apr 2012 14:21

Theoretisch alleen als de flow heel heel klein is en de omgeving zuurstofloos. Als dat zo zou zijn, wordt het een lastig verhaal voor de nitrificerende bacterieen die hun werk doen in een filter. Je zou dan een slecht werkend filter moeten hebben met dode hoeken waarin anaërobe bacteriën zich kunnen huisvesten. Daarnaast zal dan ook nog eens al het zuurstof verbruikt moeten zijn door de nitrificerende bacterieen...

De negatieve gevolgen van deze benodigde "dode hoeken" zijn groter dan dat het nitraat reducerend kan werken is mijn mening. Je hebt wel nitraat reductors, dit zijn speciale filters om anaërobe bacteriën te huisvesten, deze werken wel (in geringe mate). Het is als met veel dingen, het beste van twee werelden is nu eenmaal lastig te combineren.

Er zijn ook theorieen/verhalen dat bijvoorbeeld het binnenste van syporax nitraat afbraak kan bewerkstelligen. Ik heb het nog nooit meetbaar gezien en geloof er eerlijk gezegt weinig van. Als het al zo is, is het verwaarloosbaar klein. Als iemand me het tegendeel zou kunnen laten zien, spring ik een gat in de lucht. Ik heb hier serieus geld voor over, aangezien ik 10.000+ liter per week ververs. Je suggereert overigens ook dat een hoge nitraatwaarde duidt op een slecht werkend of te klein filter, het tegendeel is waar (denk dat je nitriet bedoelde?). Nitraat harsen en je andere opties werken natuurlijk wel goed :)

Mooie discussie, misschien leuk om apart topic over te maken, aangezien de mbu heeft nogsteeds problemen heeft.
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Nitraat vs. nitriet

Berichtdoor Juliette » 10 apr 2012 14:34

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Re: Mijn MBU is ziek

Berichtdoor Lode » 10 apr 2012 15:11

Een filter met voldoende filtermassa om de geproduceerde amonia in het aquarium om te zetten in nitriet en uiteindelijk in nitraat is afdoende. Het aantal liters per uur is hiervoor minder relevant, sterker nog weinig flow is niet altijd slecht (reactietijd). Grotere filtermassa zorgt voor meer biofilm en meer nitrificerende bacterieen die deze afbraak bewerkstelligen. Te kleine filters zorgen ervoor dat nitriet niet (tijdig) wordt afgebroken.

Zodra je dus nitraat meet zijn er nitrificerende bacterieen (hoger dan het kraanwater uiteraard). Zolang je nog amonia/nitriet meet zijn er onvoldoende nitrificerende bacterieen (kan ook andere redenen hebben maar nu even niet relevant). Een klein filter zal niet perse sneller dichtslibben. Ja de mechanische filtratie wel en die zal je vaker moeten vervangen. Maar als het filter niet te klein is en je dus regelmatig de witte watten vervangt is er niks aan de hand. Een mbu groeit snel en vervuilt enorm, waardoor ik denk dat je zelfs met de grootste potfilters uiteindelijk flinke fluctuaties in de waardes gaat meten, met alle gevolgen vandien. Ben het dus met je eens dat het geen kwaad kan het filter in dit geval onder de loep te nemen, vandaar onze zelfde vraag aan de topicstarter.

Ophoping van vuil zal dan ook niet een bron zijn van nitraat maar van o.a. nitriet. Denk dat je gewoon twee dingen door elkaar haalt Juliette, want ik weet uit eerdere posts dat je de stikstofcyclus goed begrijpt :)

Zal het topic zo splitsen trouwens :p
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Re: Mijn MBU is ziek

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Re: Mijn MBU is ziek

Berichtdoor Lode » 10 apr 2012 16:06

Nitraat kan niet nog meer nitraat maken, scheikundig ook onmogelijk :p

Ontlasting, rottend plant en voedselresten dragen geen nitraat bij zich...

Je hebt een bron nodig, in dit geval ontlasting en stikstofproductie door de osmotische regulatie van vissen. Je kan niet uit niets iets maken. Het filter zet de amonia/nitriet om in nitraat zolang er een voedingsbron is. Dichtslibben zorgt voor amoniak/nitriet ophoping (door sommigen inderdaad nitrietbom genoemd). Heb je ooit aan zo'n ophoping geroken? Zo ja weet je wat je ruikt, amonia!

Wat betreft het zeeaquaria gaat het ook om voorkomen van dichtslibben met als gevolg nitriet ophoping in plaats van nitraat ;)
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