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Kogelvis forum • Toon onderwerp - Bodempje vervangen

Bodempje vervangen

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Re: Bodempje vervangen

Berichtdoor Paalders » 28 aug 2009 12:45

Ook zonder voedingsbodem zitten er nog steeds allerlei voedingsstoffen in je bodem. Want naast de bekende noemers zoals NO3, ijzer, etc. hebben je planten ook allerlei mineralen nodig om te kunnen groeien. Dit zit allemaal bebonden in de bodem rondom de wortels van je planten. Het is vaak dan ook zo dat rondom de wortels de bodem wat donkerder/gekleurd is, dit komt weer door door deze gebonden stoffen.

Er wordt heel veel gedacht dat je bodem bomvol zit met allemaal goede bacterieen, het leuke is dat mensen die dit zeggen ook zeggen dat meer l/h door je filter meer goede bacterien opleverd. Er wordt gedacht dat alle stroming ook door je bodem, dit is echt de grootste onzin. Wanneer je je vinger in de bodem wil steken moet je op een gegeven moment aardig wrikken om er nog doorheen te komen. Wanneer er stroming door het zand gaat lukt dit veel beter. Dit zie je ook terug wanneer iemand een filter onder het zand heeft, het zand is hier ook veel losser en gaat dit heel makkelijk.

Zand waar veel water doorheen stroomt noemen we in de natuur ook anders.. ;)
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Re: Bodempje vervangen

Berichtdoor KorrepZ » 28 aug 2009 13:05

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Re: Bodempje vervangen

Berichtdoor Paalders » 28 aug 2009 13:13

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Re: Bodempje vervangen

Berichtdoor sebastiaan » 28 aug 2009 16:16

okay,.. maar wat ik niet begrijp is hoe die mineralen enzo in mijn bak terecht komen,.. want die zitten er dus schijnbaar in,.. maar die heb ik dus of ge introduseert doen ik mijn zand er in gooide of ze komen uit het water, straks heb ik gewoon weer opnieuw zand en nog steeds het zelfde water dus zouden die mineralen en voedings stoffen er dan niet gewoon weer opnieuw in moeten zitten? en dan hoef ik toch ook niet op te letten voor voedings stoffen enzo?

en zand waar water door heen stroomt heet toch gefluidiseerd zand?
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Re: Bodempje vervangen

Berichtdoor Paalders » 29 aug 2009 06:41

Goede vragen :)

Wat betreft de mineralen, hoe kom je eraan? De mineralen zitten in je zand, deze zijn al aanwezig en hoef je zelf niets aan te doen. De ene soort is wat armer en de ander wat rijker aan mineralen. Hoe en wat die onderverdeling precies is weet ik niet. Ik ben zelf dan ook eerder geneigd rivierzand te nemen in plaats van metselzand. Al heb ik zelf geen idee wat nu rijker is. Voor m'n eigen gevoel is het zo goed :)

Water draagt ook mineralen met zich mee (welke? maar ze zijn er!), als mens heb je daar niet zo last van. Ze komen her en der vandaan. Dus enkele mineralen worden weer afgegeven aan het water.

Wat je natuurlijk ook begrijpt is dat wat niet aangevuld wordt, je op een gegeven moment ook niet meer hebt. Hier heb je dan weer dingen als Sera Mineralsalt voor. Hier zitten allerlei soorten mineralen in, een tip om te gebruiken dus! En niet alleen maar om je KH te verhogen! Mocht je dit willen gaan gebruiken, houd hier dan ook rekening mee ;) Voedingsstoffen kun je ook toevoegen via de vloeibare kant, beter is het via een voedingsbodem te doen. Al is zo'n bodem na 3 jaar ook uitgeput.

Een gefluïdiseerd zandbed wordt veel gebruikt in waterzuiveringsinstallaties. Hier wordt een combinatie van lucht en water door zand heen gejaagd met wat chemische troep en hier binden zich dan allerlei afvalstoffen aan. Deze 'vlokken' zakken dan lager en zo zit alle rotzooi onderin. Het feit dat hier water en lucht doorheen gaat en dit in de juiste verhoudingen doet gaat zand zich als een soort vloeistof gedragen. Dit is dan fluïdisiratie.

Bij drijfzand gaat er een bepaalde stroming door het zand heen. Genoeg dat de zandkorrels niet meer op elkaar gedrukt worden en bij het minst of geringste gaan ze wel uit elkaar. Dit zorgt ervoor dat je er helemaal doorheen zakt. Met zilverzand kan je hier ook last van krijgen, drijfzand stukjes onder water. Heb het diverse kerel bij bauk gezien toen zij met d'r stenen aan het schuiven was in een bak met zilverzand.
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Re: Bodempje vervangen

Berichtdoor Lode » 29 aug 2009 09:05

Mmmmmmmmmmm-boeeeeeeeee
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Re: Bodempje vervangen

Berichtdoor sebastiaan » 29 aug 2009 10:46

okay,. maar mijn bak is helemaal niet zwaar belast, alles wat er in rond zwemt is een fakaha van 15cm en een pleco van 10cm en die pleco gaat naar gijs toe zo gauw als ik een niewe bodem heb want dat beest poept aan een stuk door en op een donkere bodem is dat niet zon probleem maar op licht zand,.. en dit in 350liter water dus dat belast die bak niet zo heel zwaar,
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Re: Bodempje vervangen

Berichtdoor bauk » 29 aug 2009 13:52

Dus issie door je pleco behoorlijk belast ;)

Is t niet zo dat die omslag in waardes erna veroorzaakt word omdat uit de onderste laag een hoop zooi in t water komt als je erin gaat wroeten? Aangezien er een hoop zooi blijft liggen in t onderste stukje bodem..
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Re: Bodempje vervangen

Berichtdoor Lode » 29 aug 2009 17:46

Ja klopt Bauk, dat heeft ook invloed. Ook het nieuwe zand/grind beivloed de waterwaardes. Het is gewoon alles bij elkaar.
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Re: Bodempje vervangen

Berichtdoor sebastiaan » 30 aug 2009 10:46

tsja,.. nu is mijn bodem ook niet zo heel oud dus ik denk niet dat er super veel gekke dingen in zullen zitten maar daar moet ik inderdaad ook rekening mee houden ja, heb ik ook wel eens iets over gelezen want ze zeggen ook altijd als je gravende kogelvissen hebt dat je iedereweek met verversen het zand om moet woellen om opbouw van giftige stoffen in het zand tegen tegaan,

het is dus allemaal nog een stuk lastiger dan ik dacht joh,

maar over die pleco, het is niet zo zeer dat hij grote hoeveelheden poept maar heel veel en versprijd door de bak waardoor je overal poep ziet liggen op licht zand, dat is een stuk minder aangenaam dan op een plekje een mega poep zo als bij fakkie :P
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