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Mijn inrichting

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Mijn inrichting

Berichtdoor Jelmer.b » 20 nov 2010 16:01

Hallo,

Een tijdje geleden heb ik besloten om mijn aquarium speciaal in te gaan richten voor alleen kogelvissen. Ik heb inmiddels 2 biocellatus, 1 irrubesco en 1 algenetertje. Ik heb al een paar vragen gesteld op dit forum over de biocellatus aangezien deze het beste doen op brakwater.

Echter..Toen ik mijn vorige bestand wegbracht (malawi cichilden) naar familie zag ik tot mijn verbazing 1 biocellatus vrolijk en aktief rondzwemmen. Nou was dit een bak waar 300 liter ingaat maar goed.. het was geheel zoetwater en hij had het aardig naar zn zin. Dit heeft onder andere invloed gehad op mijn besluit om gewoon zoetwater te blijven behouden. Een andere reden is dat ik niet zonder planten wil. Dit vind ik toch wel belangrijk in een aquarium. Ik heb ze nu al een paar weken en het gaat goed.

Ik heb een foto gemaakt en wil graag horen wat nog beter kan. Ik zat zelf te denken om er meer planten er in te doen. Met name aan de zijkanten.
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Re: Mijn inrichting

Berichtdoor Nanda » 20 nov 2010 16:56

Hey Jelmer,

Leuk dat de kogelvissen er zijn!

Een brakwatervis kan echt het beste op brakwater gehouden worden. In de natuur zwemmen ze ook in brakwater, hun hele lichaamsstelsel is hierop ingesteld. In zoetwater sterven ze vroeger en voelen ze zich onnodig minder prettig.

Heb je de F8tjes, de irrubbesco en de algeneter in hetzelfde aquarium?

Qua inrichting zou ik meer holen creeëren door middel van hout, stenen of inderdaad wat je zegt planten.
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Re: Mijn inrichting

Berichtdoor Jelmer.b » 20 nov 2010 17:08

Hey Nanda,

Het was wel mijn intentie om ze op brakwater te zetten. Alleen is het vervelende dat de planten op den duur dan gaan 'hemelen'. Ze zitten allemaal in hetzelfde aquarium ja. De algeneter zit voornamelijk midden in het stuk hout. Wat mij nog wel opvalt is dat de kogelvissen vaak bij de zijkant zwemmen en op en neer zweeft omdat ie zichzelf waarschijnlijk ziet als concurrentie. Wel grappig gezicht, maar denk dat ik daar nog wat planten neerzet. Ik zal proberen om meer holen te creeëren.

Een luchtpompje of uitstromer zal wel niet nodig zijn? Heb ook al planten. Of is dit raadzaam om wel te doen?
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Berichtdoor Nanda » 20 nov 2010 17:26

Hey hoi!

Een extra luchtpompje is met voldoende zuurstofafgevende planten inderdaad niet nodig. Bij brakwater is het altijd wel raadzaam.

Een biocellatus en een irrubesco is helaas geen goede combinatie. Wil je dan ook als tip mee geven ze zo spoedig mogelijk te scheiden voordat er 1 of meerdere vissen het leven erbij laten.

De meeste soorten kogelvissen kunnen het beste solitair (alleen) in het aquarium worden gehouden. Je hebt een aantal uitzonderingen hierop; voor zoetwater heb je een aantal soorten zoals de irrubesco en de lorteti die je per paar kunt houden. Dus 1 man en 1 vrouw. Dan heb je nog de travancoricus (dwerg) die je in groepjes kunt houden; bijvoorbeeld 1 man en 3 vrouw of iets dergelijks, net als de colomesus asellus, alleen kunnen we hierbij het geslacht (nog niet) onderscheiden.

Voor brak hebben we hiervoor alleen de biocellatus die je met meerderen kunt houden. Met "meerderen" bedoelen we vissen van dezelfde soort. Soorten mengen gaat helaas op langere termijn praktisch nooit goed.

Kan je er een aquarium bij aanschaffen? Anders raad ik je aan om een keuze te maken tussen de F8tjes (brakwater) en de irrubesco (zoetwater).

Heb je een mannetjes of vrouwtjes irrubesco?

Overigens zijn er wel een aantal planten wat je in brakwater kunt houden, zal straks even een lijstje maken op het forum. :)
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Re: Mijn inrichting

Berichtdoor Jelmer.b » 20 nov 2010 17:35

Ik weet niet of het een vrouwtje of mannetje is. De vis is nog vrij klein, denk 3 cm echt niet langer (ik denk vrouwtje). Ik merk dat de irrubesco vrij nieuwsgierig is. De biocellatus zijn vaak samen.

Ik heb wel gelezen dat de irrubesco vooral s'nachts actief is in plaats van overdag. Denk wel dat als ze allemaal nog een beetje groeien de agressie misschien iets toeneemt maar zoals het nu gaat, gaat het goed, ze zwemmen soms wel eens met zn 3en bijelkaar.

Ik heb nog wel een aquarium alleen zitten daar nog goudvissen in, ook niet ideaal. Ik zal dan ook een echte schuilplaats halen waar de irrubesco eventueel in kan zwemmen. Heb een boomstammetje gezien met een holle ruimte waar ie in kan zwemmen, misschien dat ik zoiets neem.
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Re: Mijn inrichting

Berichtdoor Lode » 20 nov 2010 17:51

Mijn advies is de biocellatus verkopen als je geen brak wilt en er irrubesco bijkopen. Zo heb je zoetwater, met planten en leuke kogelvissen, die in water zitten waar ze thuishoren :)

Het glaswand zwemmen komt hoogstwaarschijnlijk door de onderlinge stress en het gebrek aan zout bij de biocellatus. Dit is een bekend patroon helaas.

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Berichtdoor Jelmer.b » 20 nov 2010 18:39

Verkopen is geen optie. Ze moeten natuurlijk wel even wennen aan hun nieuwe omgeving he... Zolang heb ik ze nog niet. Het glaswand zwemmen gebeurd ook bij de irrubesco, en die heb ik nog maar 2 dagen.

Ik voer ze rode en witte muggenlarven, slakken en droogvoer. Ik heb ook vitamine b tegen stress. Verder is het misschien een idee om af en toe eens een beetje zout er bij te doen tijdens het verversen? Of is dit funest voor de irrubesco? Ik vind het echt hele mooie vissen maar als je zegt verkopen, doet me dat geen plezier..

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Re: Mijn inrichting

Berichtdoor Nanda » 17 dec 2010 23:06

De irrubesco doet dat waarschijnlijk vanuit stress. Vitamine B toevoegen tegen stress is het stressprobleem vermijden door een middel te gebruiken, hiermee los je de oorzaak niet op. Het is echt niet aan te raden soorten kogelvissen bijelkaar in te doen. Dit gaat op langere termijn altijd fout.

Hoe gaat het nu met ze?

Over het zout, een irrubesco hoort op zoet een f8 op zout. Enige manier om beide soorten te behouden en een gelukkig leven te geven is door de soorten te scheiden. Verkopen is inderdaad niet leuk maar soms wel het beste voor de vis. Denk dat diervriendlijkheid altijd bovenaan de wil van de mens hoort te staan. :)

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